Herman Cain under fire

 

I’m no Herman Cain supporter.  For me, he’s just another non intellectual republican along the lines of Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. It speaks volumes about the party that these non-intellectual types, with little to offer other than slogans, are the ones that garner much of the support of republican voters.  I had a chance to watch the last debate and the more thoughtful comments came from Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, but poll ratings for both of them are in the cellar.

It’s quite apparent is that the system really wants the republican race to be between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney and everything has been geared toward that end.  That was obvious during the last debate with Perry and Romney making sure that they went after each other so as to create a two man race.  Herman Cain’s ascendency in the polls has thrown the entire race off of its scripted course and the sexual harassment charges are designed to put this entire thing back on script and that means either Romney or Perry will be the republican nominee.

Conventional wisdom would say that the source for Cain’s problems come from the political right and Cain himself has accused Rick Perry’s campaign of trying to smear him, but as I watch the various media reports on this, it seems to me that the “political system” is crafting this script.  What do I mean by the political system? It’s the combination of media, corporate power and money that shapes the politics of the country while keeping the public enthralled with the notion that there’s such a thing as a distinction that really matters between the two political parties.  (There may be some distinction between the two parties, but it’s one that results in little practical difference from a policy standpoint, hence the distinction doesn’t really matter).  This system doesn’t want Herman Cain in the role of the republican nominee.  It would be perfectly acceptable for him to be a cheerleading type with a media presence as a pundit, but his presidential aspirations aren’t a part of the script.    Even Condi Rice came out today and accused him of playing the race card in an interview he had with Charles Krauthammer. Poor Cain is catching it from all sides and I suspect that he’ll be done within the next few weeks and will find himself relegated to has been status.

Again, I shed no tears for Herman Cain here.  Folks like him are the reason I’m seriously considering a choice of “none of the above” come the next election.  What I do shed tears over is the death of democracy as elections in this country become scripted affairs sponsored by the “political system”.  This system not only scripts the elections, but also scripts the issues of the day.  For theatrical productions and the like, scripts work well to create a fiction that’s good for entertainment or a diversion from reality, but they fail miserably in helping one in actually managing reality and that’s the primary reason why the country is in the mess it’s in.   

   

  • helpme22

    “It speaks volumes about the party that these non-intellectual types, with little to offer other than slogans”.
    Intellectualism isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Real world experience and moral fortitude are just as important. Our current administration seems to be packed with people who have seen life through a computer screen, yet we were told they were “intellectual” and “insightful”.
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    Cain has not handled the sexual settlement situation well. Sad truth is, he is demonstrating an inability to think on his feet. I can’t blame this on lack of political experience. he is developing a tendency trail of statements followed by corrections. Ole Herman needs to get the story right the first time much more often.

  • Anonymous

    “It speaks volumes about the party that these non-intellectual types, with little to offer other than slogans”
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    Gregg, would you delete “helpme22″ post. That was an accident by me.
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    Intellectualism isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Real world experience and moral fortitude are just as important. Our current administration seems to be packed with people who have seen life through a computer screen, yet we were told they were “intellectual” and “insightful”.
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    Cain has not handled the sexual settlement situation well. Sad truth is, he is demonstrating an inability to think on his feet. I can’t blame this on lack of political experience. he is developing a tendency trail of statements followed by corrections. Ole Herman needs to get the story right the first time much more often.

    • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

      Most people would have challenges handling a “gotcha” and Cain is no different.  As I indicate, his ascendancy in the polls is an unwelcome event as far as those who script all of this are concerned so they’ll make him endure some scrutiny so as to knock him out of contention.  The press has now shifted its focus to his “spendthrift” ways now.   The unfortunate thing is that scrutiny of this sort doesn’t focus on where it needs to focus (i.e. his positions on policies), but instead focuses on the trite gotcha type stuff and so rather than having a discussion about the things that really matter, we get to discuss the titillating stuff instead.  The entire system is defective and really doesn’t provide any real information for people to vote on. 
       
      Those with money are backing Romney and Perry and the script calls for this to be a race between these two.  There’s no room for Cain or anyone else in this scenario other than as support players to provide the veneer that there’s a democratic process.  In reality, there is none.

  • Anonymous

    “It speaks volumes about the party that these non-intellectual types, with little to offer other than slogans, are the ones that garner much of the support of republican voters.”

    It is more surprising when you learn who some of Cain’s supporters are: Tea Party activists. 

    “Several polls have been conducted on the demographics of the [Tea Party] movement. Though the various polls sometimes turn up slightly different results, they tend to show that Tea Party supporters are mainly white and slightly more likely to be male, married, older than 45, more conservative than the general population, and likely to be more wealthy and have more education.”

    Why would this “have more education” group want to support “non-intellectual types.” It certainly can’t be for their real-world bona fides. Palin didn’t finish her term as Alaska governor, Michelle Bachmann worked for the I.R.S. as an undercover spy, and Herman Cain turned around a pizza chain, Godfather Pizza, using, I understand, some rather ruthless business practices.

    One can only imagine what Cain would do to turn the country around, given his rather checkered history as a businessperson (CEO).  The problem as I see it: Government doesn’t run as a business with an eye on the bottomline, but one that regulates businesses–and, as president, Cain would have little actual power (except of the pen and the bully pulpit), which would frustrate any CEO who’s used to pushing through an agenda with little or no push back.

    I have a theory for Cain’s sudden rise in the polls, but I’ll save it: It’s hard to say if he’ll survive the sex scandals that have recently come to light.

    • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

      >>>I have a theory for Cain’s sudden rise in the polls, but
      I’ll save it: It’s hard to say if he’ll survive the sex scandals that
      have recently come to light.<<<<<

      I'd be very interested in hearing your theory.  I really don't understand Cain's rise myself as he's really not said much other than offering a bunch of slogans and an expression of  hatred of Muslims.  I suppose that appeals to his supporters, which appear to be tea party types.  For me, he's just like Palin and Bachman—vacuous with nothing to offer.

      • Anonymous

        “I’d be very interested in hearing your theory.”

        I’m waiting for more things to develop, but let me offer a teaser or two. We have Fox News and Limbaugh supporting Cain (both are Republican King makers), rather than tearing him down in favor of another contender.

        Why did Fox News and Limbaugh reject each flavor of the month, when he or she was making a stir in the polls, but supported Häagen-Dazs Black Walnut despite his recent sexual harassment scandal, a revelation that should have ended his run for the presidency?

        So far, several days into the scandal, Cain’s still polling well, a point or two below Mitt Romney, but still in the running.

        • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

          BD,

          At your suggestion, I’ve watched a couple of clips on Fox with Hannity and Juan Williams and I must say that I’m amazed that they’re trying to couch Cain’s problem as an attack on the black conservative.  I also heard Limbaugh claim the exact same thing.   This is incredible and it’s almost as if they’re campaigning for Obama to be honest.  Cain will not prevail in a general election.  The only chance they have is with a moderate republican, but the nomination of either will tear the party apart and consign it to minority status IMO.  The mid-terms were a flash in the pan and the same strategy of putting forward a tea party type will not work now.
           

          • Anonymous

            “This is incredible and it’s almost as if they’re campaigning for Obama to be honest. “ 

            How weird is that! Even more astonishing is Ann Coulter’s defense of Cain: 
            “Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks.”

            If you haven’t seen the video, you can watch it here: 

            http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201110310016

            “Cain will not prevail in a general election.  The only chance they have is with a moderate republican.”

            True. Yet, Republicans’ moderate candidate, Mitt Romney, is now moving so far to the Right that he’s hugging the edge of the conservative precipice, and will be thrown to the rocks below in a general election.

            Yet, this is the tactic he must use if he wishes to be electable in a Republican primary, and in a party that has intentionally shifted its brand farther and farther to the Right after the election of Barack  Obama, and a loss of Congress to Democrats.

            • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

              >>>Yet, this is the tactic he must use if he wishes to be electable in a
              Republican primary, and in a party that has intentionally shifted its
              brand farther and farther to the Right after the election of Barack
               Obama, and a loss of Congress to Democrats.<<<<

              Yes, I saw this Ann Coulter video.  She's an absolute idiot and always has been.  These people will grab at anything to keep the pot stirred even if it means claiming racism on behalf of Cain coming from the liberal left.  This reminds me of some Saturday morning cartoon of the slapstick variety and I just can't imagine anyone taking any of these guys seriously.

              The republican party must have some sort of death wish.  As I say above, there are two paths to defeat in this electoral season—nominate a moderate, and the far right wing leaves the party, nominate a right wing nutjob, and the moderates and independents leave the house.  The battle between the RINO's and the tea party types is not over

              • Anonymous

                “The republican party must have some sort of death wish.”

                I liken the whole thing to spending long hours, and unrestricted amounts of money in the making of a prom dress, without first choosing a prom queen to wear it.

                The Republican party used the bulk of Obama’s time in office to obstruct his every effort to shore up the country’s economy, and to put people back to work, to make him a one-term president, without first grooming a viable candidate to run against him.

                If Republicans don’t have a “death wish,” they certainly have a prescription for failure, as their current field of candidates aren’t cutting it. I can’t imagine any of them as presidential material. And if the American people choose any one of them, they, too, will be exhibiting a “death wish.”

                • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

                  >>If Republicans don’t have a “death wish,” they certainly have a
                  prescription for failure, as their current field of candidates aren’t
                  cutting it. I can’t imagine any of them as presidential material. And if
                  the American people choose any one of them, they, too, will be
                  exhibiting a “death wish.”<<<

                  Very true.  It looks like they're forcing Cain onto a sword which clears the way for Romney.  The t-party types will go in full revolt if he's nominated.  Well, at least this promises to be entertaining!

  • Anonymous

    “There’s no room for Cain or anyone else in this scenario other than as support players to provide the veneer that there’s a democratic process.”
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    The script writers still have a problem… Romney is stuck at 25%. This will translate into luke warm support and an election loss. Cain enjoys deep support, Romney is just “okay”. Reagan got the anyone but Ronnie treatment from the Republican hoity-toity, yet he pulled off an election win in 1980. If Cain tightens things up, he could do the same.

    • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

      >>>The script writers still have a problem… Romney is stuck at 25%. This will translate into luke warm support and an election loss. Cain enjoys deep support, Romney is just “okay”. Reagan got the anyone but Ronnie treatment from the Republican hoity-toity, yet he pulled off an election win in 1980. If Cain tightens things up, he could do the same. <<<<

      If Cain, or someone like him, is the republican nominee, Obama wins handily.  This wild lurch to the right that the republican party pursued in response to losing the 2008 election will bite them hard.  It certainly was successful in mid-terms gains in the house, but that has been misread.  Low turnout along with an energized base accounts for those gains rather than a wholesale turn to the right among the electorate generally.  The support for Cain is apparently an outgrowth of this energized base, but they don't have the numbers.  The script writers realize this and that is why moderates like Christie and Romney are favored.  In other words, the same types that were derided as RINO's in the midterms are precisely what's needed to win the 2012, but the hard right doesn't want them and the country is not going to elect a hard right tea party type to the presidency.  

      The mid-terms were just a flash in the pan and the gains don't change the demographic shift in the country that supported Obama's run in 2008.

      • Aquietday

        “The mid-terms were just a flash in the pan and the gains don’t change the demographic shift in the country that supported Obama’s run in 2008.”.
        That is too depressing as it speaks poorly of the future.

        • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

          >>>That is too depressing as it speaks poorly of the future.<<<

          Sounds like you agree with my brief analysis and believe that the republican cause is lost, but I'd be curious what's in that crystal ball of yours that you find so depressing.

          • LTE

            “I’d be curious what’s in that crystal ball of yours that you find so depressing”.
            The demographic shift. Poorly educated minority populations & poor whites coupled with a pandering left leaning high income group supporting more Obama’s .
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            The Occupiers are a good example of what America’s future could look like. People with an opinion and few good ideas supported by others.
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            Several months ago Texas published a study that showed those hard working illegal’s kids academic abilities have not only stalled out, they are going backwards. Texas said if this trend continues, they will not have enough educated people to run the state.
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            There is a little bit of hope. California Asian Republicans are starting to step out and make some noise. This could be the beginning of a trend.

            • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

              >>>The demographic shift. Poorly educated minority populations & poor
              whites coupled with a pandering left leaning high income
              group supporting more Obama’s .<<<

              Let me ask a question here LTE.  Who exactly is responsible for the poor state of education, massive illegal immigration and massive joblessness?  Liberals?

              I'm reminded here of Joe Bagent's very pertinent essays where he draws little distinction between the massive and growing numbers of poor whites versus others other than the fact that they're more amenable to getting mustered into America's wars.  Other than that, many of issues that blacks and hispanics face are facing down poor whites as well.   Demographically and despite portrayals to the contrary ( and as Bagent points outs), poor whites constitute the vast majority of the poor and many are as poorly educated as other poor folks.  Last time I looked median family income in America is something like  $ 50,000 (median being a measure where half the people fall above that level and the other half fall below).  That's not a lot of money for a family, but that's reflective of the society as a whole.  So what's been depicted on TV about whites, and the number of poor and struggling whites, doesn't quite match up with the reality.

              I'm saying all of that to say, that the demographic shift isn't just one of racial composition, but one also of economics as more people fall off the back of the wagon.  Who exactly is responsible for that and the other stuff I mention above?
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              • Anonymous

                “Last time I looked median family income in America is something like  $ 50,000.”

                And if Republicans succeed in destroying unions (aspirations that received a severe set back with Issue 2 in Ohio’s recent election), the people of this nation can forget about earning a middle-class income. Without unions, we will enter a new age, the multi-job age, if you can find multi-work in a shrinking economy, where several jobs will have to do the work of one.

                • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

                  >>And if Republicans succeed in destroying unions (aspirations
                  that received a severe set back with Issue 2 in Ohio’s recent election)<>Without unions, we will enter a new age, the multi-job age, if you can
                  find multi-work in a shrinking economy, where several jobs will have to
                  do the work of one.<<

                  In a way, that time is here now.  Trade policies and associated outsourcing are contributing factors to this multi-job/consulting/unemployed trend.  I had a conversation today with a guy who was employed as a chemical engineer a couple of years back and he's been out of a job with no prospects.  He says that much of the chemical  engineering work has been outsourced to China and India.  This guy is highly trained with a former upper middle class income who can't find a job.  It's a classic example of the age of the shareholder trumping everything.  So much has been eroded on the job front as was apparent from this conversation today even without the assault on unions. 

                  • Anonymous

                    “In a way, that time is here now…. So much has been eroded on the job front as was apparent from this conversation today even without the assault on unions.”

                    I agree. When I wrote this, I was thinking of unions as the last line of defense against the rapidly growing trend you outlined: “Trade policies and associated outsourcing are contributing factors to this multi-job/consulting/unemployed trend.” 

                    Once unions are out of the way, there won’t be a countervailing force to oppose the further erosion of jobs, and the corporate takeover of the government and our economy.

                    Even where jobs (albeit low paying) are plentiful–now that Georgia has passed laws to take them from undocumented workers–American workers are finding the work either too hard or too dirty, but public sentiment is still running high for what the legislature has done there (Georgia polling show support at around 90%), while Georgia businesses–agriculture, meat packing, hospitality (restaurants and hotels)–are suffering with worker shortages.

                    The politics of this (mostly Republican) is wreaking havoc on our economy.  Legislators in Georgia, and other states, are elevating ideology over commonsense, and over what’s in the best interest of the general welfare. 

                    I’ll say it again: This nation is suicidal (our wounds are self-inflicted), and, rather than seek intervention, many of us across our nation are standing and cheering on our self-immolation, convinced that our salvation is intertwined with our radical political beliefs and principles.

                    • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

                      >>>I’ll say it again: This nation is suicidal (our wounds are
                      self-inflicted), and, rather than seek intervention, many of us across our nation are standing and cheering on our self-immolation, convinced that our salvation is intertwined with our radical political beliefs and
                      principles.<<<<

                      Yes,  I agree totally,  The problem is that ownership trumps everything and this is an issue of global proportions. The last 30 years have been spent sloganeering about free
                      markets and the result is what we now have.  Any suggestion that this needs to be re-examined is met with hoots of derision and accusations of socialism–often by the same people who are victimized by these same
                      free markets.  What gets me is that for all the problems we have now, the fact that free trade, deregulation and attacks on unions are big contributors to the problems isn't even
                      raised—actually, the more of that is called for the solve the
                      problems. This country is going down the tubes for want of an honest conversation.

                      Interesting point on Georgia and the backlash against immigrants.  Who do they think are going to take those jobs?  I read somewhere that the plan is to use prison labor
                      to replace the immigrants.  That's the only thing that would be cheaper.

  • LTE

    Alex Jones, the great promoter of all things conspiracy appears on radio tonight:
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    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/11/07
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    I think Gregg might enjoy this show. I can say with certainty, Alex is lively.

    • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

      LTE, you must think I’m a conspiracy theorist of some sort, but come on man….I’m not the one jumping at shadows because of Hispanic and Muslim “invasions”!

      As to Jones, he occasionally has some decent guests on and occasionally he’ll hit a good topic or two, but he’s mainly a huckster IMO.  He reminds me of another guy (I don’t recall his name), who’s got some radio show on about aliens and etc.  These people truck in this sort of thing for money and apparently there’s no small audience for what they sell, but I’m not a part of that audience.

      • http://theafricanamericanclarioncall.com Greg L

        I have to laugh here at the coincidence.  I didn’t click on the link in
        your post initially, but was trying to come up with the name of the guy who had
        the alien radio show and I googled “alien, radio show” and came up with
        coast to coast—the same one you linked.  This isn’t the guy though. 
        There was another guy before him that ran this.  But this is certainly
        more evidence that Jones can’t be taken seriously

        • LTE

          So you spoke before you read my post… a sure sign of a conspiracy theorist.
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          I listen to George Noory from time to time, many of his guests are shall we say, unique. He does interview mainstream writers but mainly interviews non mainstream types.
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          You must be thinking of Art Bell, the man who created Coast To Coast. Bell has said 80% of the guests are full of hooey, but the fun is in the listening, not the believing. Bell from time to time had some of our best known scientists on, which gave 3 hours of fascinating conversation. 

      • LTE

        “LTE, you must think I’m a conspiracy theorist of some sort, but come on man”.
        You have evidenced it.
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        There is a Hispanic invasion… it’s called illegal aliens and they are mainly from south of the border.

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